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hi everyone and welcome I want to remind

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you to like share and subscribe and I

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want to remind you that the Super Chat

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is open and tonight we're talking to

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Tobias Whalen

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hi Jess how are you

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hey good sorry I have uh another visitor

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here here's my dog dezia who decided to

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climb up on the chair and uh and lick my

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feet I'm gonna see if I can get her to

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just lie down and uh and be good and uh

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and we can continue okay here she goes

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okay

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to me so she is definitely welcome

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oh my goodness so so tonight we're going

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to be talking about

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she seems like it we're going to be

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talking about

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um Santa Claus and holiday stories and

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everything in between

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so do you want to start off by telling

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everyone who you are first of all for

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anyone who doesn't know you

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yeah definitely so uh my name is Tobias

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Weyland and I am the uh head writer and

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Lead investigator for the singular 40 in

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society and so what the singular 40 in

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society is is a journalistic and

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investigative organization uh that was

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uh begun by myself and my wife Emily

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back in 2016 and what we do is you know

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we investigate the Paranormal of course

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um without specializing in in any

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particular area but we also you know

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cover like Paranormal news and uh and

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and of course we we try to stay active

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in in the community and provide people

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with sort of a safe place to to talk

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about all of their their weird ideas and

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So for anybody not familiar with the

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word fordian uh that comes from Charles

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Fort who was in early 20th century

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collector of weird news stories uh so

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what uh Fort would do is he would

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collect all these weird news stories

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from all over the world and uh he would

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compile them in these you know uh

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comprehensive volumes and he would

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expect calculate about the connections

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uh between these these phenomena and uh

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and also sort of speculate about what

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might be behind them

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and often that was pretty

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tongue-in-cheek uh you know he gave us

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the the uh idea of the the cosmic Joker

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to sort of explain why so little of this

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ends up making any any sense

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um you know uh one of his most famous

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quotes of course is uh one measures a

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circle beginning anywhere which is also

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one of my favorites

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um because you know I've always sort of

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taken that to mean that uh by studying

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any aspect of the the Paranormal you

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know you can understand something about

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all of it because there are all of these

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these sort of weird connections and and

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uh commonalities between phenomena and

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so that's sort of the the uh approach

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that we take at the singular 40 in

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society you know is is that uh that 40

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um you know uh holistic sort of approach

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to paranormal investigation and research

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and so the other word that sometimes

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people get caught up on is uh singular

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which I I I I do get that um yes it can

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mean one but no we don't think we're the

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only 40 in society out there because of

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course we all know that that isn't true

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um but singular can also mean unique or

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remarkable and uh and so really what

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we're going for is a society of unique

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or remarkable Floridians you know that

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is to say that uh we want a place where

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everybody's perspective is welcome and

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appreciated because we really think that

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only by uh allowing all points of view

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are we really ever going to be able to

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move forward uh in any appreciable way

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in in this field

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right and I totally agree with that

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if you're just going to sit there and

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say well my way is the right way or my

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way or the highway you can't be like

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that because what works for one can't

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work for the other you know that's I I

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totally agree with that so what brought

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me for the show idea today was I think

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it was last year around this time you

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were looking for stories

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for like holiday stories or anything

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spooky that happened around the holiday

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and I thought that'd be a great show

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idea who better task than you so do you

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want to tell us what you've collected or

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just anything in general relating to

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like Santa Claus or around the holidays

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sure I mean we can definitely start with

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Santa and I I think that is a really

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good place to to start

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um you know I think a lot of people

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probably sort of take Santa Claus for

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for granted today you know and see him

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as this sort of like

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uh secular uh commercialized figure uh

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without really understanding or even

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trying or wanting to understand his his

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uh his origins in in culture um now

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of what we see in Santa Claus today

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comes from uh Saint Nicholas who of

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Christian Saint uh known for his

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generosity and and and gift giving and

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that's actually where we get the the

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name Santa Claus um because it's uh the

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the Dutch nickname for uh Saint uh Saint

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Nicholas actually so they they actually

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shortened it to uh something like

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something and so when when that was

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brought over to uh this country yeah

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like we it was it was of course

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anglicized into Santa Claus and uh and

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and that's what we call them still today

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but interestingly if you look at a lot

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of the uh different aspects of of this

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character uh you'll begin to see some

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very strong connections to a

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pre-christian figures most notably Odin

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celebrating Christmas on on December

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25th uh Scandinavians and and other uh

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Germanic uh peoples would celebrate uh

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this holiday called Yule and this was

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their sort of like winter solstice uh

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celebration and it was a very popular

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holiday

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and during this time of of year

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they uh had what they referred to as the

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the wild Hunt and so the wild Hunt uh

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was traditionally led by by Odin where

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he would sort of gather his Valkyries

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and all this The Souls of the the

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honored Dead who dwelled with him in

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Valhalla

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and uh and he would lead this hunt you

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know and it was a particularly uh

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dangerous time of year because while

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about leading this this hunt um you know

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he would he would judge people uh you

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wisdom and perception you know he has

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his his two Ravens thought and uh memory

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that they could go out and collect all

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of this this information for him and so

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you know he he knew if you were naughty

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or or nice frankly and uh and you know

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while he was out

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right if uh if if you stumbled uh uh

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um you know you might be judged very

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uh something else interesting about that

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time is uh you know when Odin would lead

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this wild Hunt of course he would be

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riding his his eight-legged horse uh uh

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sleeper and so uh what children would do

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is they would take their shoes and fill

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them with uh with hay and leave them out

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for for slate there uh assuming that

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this poor horse would get hungry at some

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point uh being ridden around so much and

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small gifts maybe candy or sweets or

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um and so you know you can see these you

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know these obvious parallels of of this

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who uh rides around during during Yule

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which we now basically call crit like

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the the Christmas season

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and uh and you know he judges people now

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he might uh Grant favor on you you know

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he was he was known to be a A Gift Giver

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himself and that he would uh present

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gifts to to people that that he liked

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and so you know if if during this time

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of year uh Odin judged you favorably you

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know he might gift you with with

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something whether that be something uh

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material or just good fortune

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um you know and if he judged you poorly

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then you know you would you would be uh

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out of luck you know he would he would

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uh he would do something bad and um

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think there are some things that we can

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look at there too that seem

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to be very coincidental but also very

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interesting so like you look at uh uh

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sleep here for instance

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um you've got this eight-legged horse

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and you know now we have uh eight tiny

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reindeer right and so like that that

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that number obviously uh correlates and

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you know kids still leave uh vegetables

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and things out for for those reindeer uh

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in addition to to leaving you know milk

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and cookies out for for Santa so there

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are uh a lot of uh of parallels between

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you know Odin and this wild Hunt and uh

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in Santa Claus today and I I don't think

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that it is any kind of coincidence

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because again Yule was a very very

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popular holiday in in these Germanic

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countries you know is it most people's

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favorite holiday you know it was during

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the the darkest time of the the year and

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it was a it was a a days long

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celebration of feasting and drinking and

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games and everybody loved it in in and

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to Christianity I I think that that was

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very much recognized and nobody wanted

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to take Yule away from anybody because

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that would have been tremendously

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unpopular and you're not going to talk

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anybody into to converting to anything

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that way and so

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you know they they sort of folded these

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um and so you know people got to keep

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their uh Traditions they got to to keep

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their stories and they were sort of

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modified over time

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um to be more accommodating to the new

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religion but uh but still you know a lot

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of those remnants remain and you see

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them all like all over the the place

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this time of year

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um you know everything from uh from

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Christmas trees you know decorating

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um although interestingly the the lights

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on trees actually is something that uh

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that that really wasn't well that we

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have no real historical record of

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prior to to Christian conversion but you

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know the actual just decorating as far

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as like you know ornaments or

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um you know food or something similar

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like that

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that goes back you know much further

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than Christianity of course there are

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uh Reeves for instance you know uh uh

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putting uh uh Evergreen uh uh branches

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and things in your home to sort of

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represent

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um eternal life or or the uh Persistence

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of life in this this period of darkness

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and death you know

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um that's much older than Christianity

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uh you know of course like mistletoe

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even

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um you know like all of these things

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were Incorporated uh into the the

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Christian celebration I think because of

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their their their uh origin and this

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very popular pagan holiday

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um and it it's something that we still

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do today I've got a a Christmas tree

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downstairs we've got a wreath on our our

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front door

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um and it just seems like something that

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uh that a lot of people don't

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um really don't spend a lot of time

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thinking about it and I I'm by no means

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saying if you celebrate Christmas you

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are celebrating a pagan holiday because

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obviously the connection to the the

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birth of Christ at this point is very

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very strong and uh you know that that of

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course happened on purpose and so you

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know um I don't want anybody to be

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offended you know by me saying that like

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their uh Christian celebration is this

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Pagan thing if if that's something that

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they would find offensive because you

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know there are there is obviously a

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strong uh connection to Christianity at

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this point too

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um I just find it very interesting from

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a uh both like historical and folkloric

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perspective you know how many of these

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Traditions have have uh survived I mean

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for instance

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you can see behind me uh I've got like a

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couple of gnomes up there on top of that

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bookshelf

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and uh and and those are called uh

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nisser

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and uh and what a Anissa is is basically

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uh this again ancient uh patriarchal uh

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spirit this this uh this this uh sort of

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fairy really that uh that would dwell in

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somebody's Homestead and they were

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generally thought to be very helpful if

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a little capricious you wanted to stay

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on their good side that's like all

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fairies right and uh and they were

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especially connected to uh Ewell and the

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the Yuletide season and you know it was

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traditional to leave like buttered

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porridge out for them uh

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around you will um and uh and I guess

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where I'm going with this is I bought

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both of those or I should say Emily and

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I bought bought both of those

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at a Christmas Market very very recently

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you know and they're sort of uh marketed

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as like Christmas gnomes or people might

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refer to them even as like you know

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elves or something similar

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um but the reality of of the the

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situation is is that they are surviving

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uh characters from this this

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pre-christian uh Yule tradition

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um and you still see them everywhere at

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least here you know we have a pretty big

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Scandinavian population and uh

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Wisconsin

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um and so that probably has something to

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do with it but um but yeah it's it's

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it's something that a lot of people I

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don't think uh probably spent a lot of

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time uh thinking about you know but the

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the the stuff is still everywhere

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interestingly enough

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um

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uh nissar were actually the inspiration

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for uh Santa's elves uh Santa's elves

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were invented in the the 19th century by

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some uh Scandinavian uh children's

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authors and uh and largely based off of

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of Mr because the the thing about uh the

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the uh misser is that

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they have that sort of distinctive

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uh uh look that that we often associate

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or were traditionally associated with

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Santa's elves you know like the the red

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hat the Browner green clothing

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um you know they were wise and old men

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so yeah you would often see you know

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like big bushy beards and and similar

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um and so yeah it's just just uh another

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interesting uh surviving tradition

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um and that actually reminds me of

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another one that I that is also from

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Wisconsin although by way of of

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Scandinavia and I I found this while

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researching uh the the book that I'm

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working on now the singular 40 in

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society is Yuletide guide to high

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strangeness um

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and that is the tradition of uh

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Asgard zarea now I I apologize if I

388
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mispronounced that but it's a uh I

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believe Norwegian word and it's not the

390
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easiest thing for me to pronounce but uh

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what that is basically is um is this uh

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fairy

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session that's supposed to take place on

394
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uh Christmas recession of uh underground

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people basically is what they were

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referred to as of who would you know

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come uh you know would would come up and

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uh and would kind of have a little wild

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Hunt of their own you know it wasn't a

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hunt specifically but they would roam

401
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the countryside and and you generally

402
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didn't want to to run into them because

403
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very little good could come of it and uh

404
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I found that uh in

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uh some historical records at the uh

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Wisconsin Historical Society so if

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anybody isn't familiar back in the 1930s

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during the Great Depression uh the

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federal government sponsored this

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writer's project called the uh Federal

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uh writers project and basically what

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these writers would do is they would go

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like just all over and they would uh

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collect uh bits of folklore you know

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personal histories like just uh Word of

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Mouth uh kind of kind of stuff in in an

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attempt to uh well one keep writers

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working because it was the greatest

419
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economic disaster in our nation's

420
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history but two to help preserve the the

421
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culture of of all of these uh you know

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disparate

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uh peoples who had uh

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immigrated to this this country and so

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you know like I said before in Wisconsin

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we had a pretty sizable still do have a

427
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pretty sizable uh Scandinavian and

428
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really just Germanic in general uh

429
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population and so that was something

430
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that made it into this this Federal

431
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writers project and and unfortunately

432
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the person uh uh who actually gave that

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account like their name has been lost to

434
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:19,919
history but in the actual entry for it

435
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uh it's labeled uh asgard's Raya and

436
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then uh nudistad

437
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and so uh utistad actually refers to

438
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this Farm now after explaining what uh

439
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this very present like uh procession is

440
00:19:44,090 --> 00:19:38,820
they actually go into this

441
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um uh sort of uh folkloric tale uh that

442
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recounts somebody's experience you know

443
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with uh with this this very procession

444
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and having to deal with it and

445
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the name of the farm in that story is

446
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and so I thought well you know it's not

447
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uncommon uh uh especially back then for

448
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somebody to associate a place with the

449
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name of the the family you know that

450
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that lives there if it's this this sort

451
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of like uh generational property or

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something

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and so I looked in the uh Wisconsin

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census which of course goes way back you

455
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know all the way back to before the the

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1930s to see if there was anybody with

457
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that last name uh who lives uh who or

458
00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:30,299
who lived in in Wisconsin that you know

459
00:20:36,110 --> 00:20:32,760
would be on the the census and sure

460
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,120
enough there uh were several people with

461
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that last name of utestad and they all

462
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lived near the the town of Barron

463
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and what's really and I swear this is

464
00:20:51,289 --> 00:20:47,039
going somewhere what's really

465
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interesting about the the town of Barron

466
00:21:00,169 --> 00:20:56,340
is that it itself is known for having uh

467
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its own fairy procession so uh this was

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all the way back in 1916. uh there was a

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there was a man at the time a a teenager

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who reportedly saw this group of of tiny

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men so as the The Story Goes actually as

472
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it was related to uh Jerome Clark who

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wrote about it uh uh for the first time

474
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in a 1970-something issue of of Fate I I

475
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have like an original copy of it right

476
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over there and I could give you the the

477
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exact date that it came out but I don't

478
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want to have to get up and risk you know

479
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knocking over my computer or something

480
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,260
but uh but anyway

481
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um you know he uh he talked to this

482
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guy's wife who swears up and down that

483
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that this really happened to this guy or

484
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at least something really happened to

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him he had some kind of a very powerful

486
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impactful experience and so anyway as

487
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the The Story Goes um this teenager he

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was uh riding along near Barron

489
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Wisconsin with uh his friends and their

490
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dad and uh their car ran uh ran out of

491
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oil however

492
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luckily for them uh there was a farmer

493
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walking past who had just gotten done

494
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fishing and uh and they asked him if he

495
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could help and he said yes but you know

496
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somebody has to come with me to my farm

497
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and get this oil because he didn't want

498
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to go all the way to his farm and back

499
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again and so uh this this teenager whose

500
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first name was uh Harry uh said yeah you

501
00:22:34,850 --> 00:22:31,620
know hey I will go with you uh he

502
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volunteered and uh and so off off he

503
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goes and he gets the oil and that all is

504
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is great and then he's walking back and

505
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it's dark out by then uh the the sun is

506
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that

507
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and there's this full moon so he can see

508
00:22:51,649 --> 00:22:48,179
pretty well and as he's passing by this

509
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field he sees this procession of little

510
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men and uh you know they were wearing uh

511
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:59,940
overalls I I believe and they were

512
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making a weird noise it was like they

513
00:23:06,409 --> 00:23:05,039
were mumbling to themselves like they

514
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:06,419
like they're all sort of mumbling but

515
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not too you know each each other

516
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um and so you know he sees this and he's

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terrified and so he takes off and uh he

518
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gets back to the car and he tells his

519
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friends and their dad about it and of

520
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course

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he gets laughed at which is a very

522
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common experience and I think as we all

523
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:27,539
know unfortunately

524
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and uh anyway long story short after he

525
00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:32,760
gets laughed at there the only people he

526
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:35,580
ever tells about it are his mom and his

527
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:39,120
wife both of whom swore that this was

528
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something that

529
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:42,679
um deeply

530
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,600
affected him and so you know it's it's

531
00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:48,240
fascinating and so

532
00:23:55,070 --> 00:23:52,020
finding this weird uh folkloric story of

533
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,080
fairy processions you know led me to uh

534
00:23:59,870 --> 00:23:57,360
this weird synchronicity of finding you

535
00:24:03,190 --> 00:23:59,880
know a fairy procession in the state in

536
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:03,200
which I live in the same area uh likely

537
00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:07,080
where uh this this uh original uh

538
00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:09,780
folkloric like tale came from which

539
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:13,320
I mean if that's not Christmas magic I

540
00:24:19,730 --> 00:24:16,740
don't I don't know what is honestly

541
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:19,740
yeah I know I agree with you that's

542
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:20,700
amazing

543
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:26,460
and to have because Santa Santa himself

544
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,760
is supposed to be an elf or like a form

545
00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:32,640
of an elf or so they say

546
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:35,580
like not Saint Nicholas but the the

547
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,260
Santa Claus the commercialized Santa

548
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:38,880
Claus

549
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,400
oh sure so like you'll see him referred

550
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,679
to as you know a jolly old old Elf or

551
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,120
something

552
00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:46,799
um and that's really you know that is

553
00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:48,600
really interesting and I guess I haven't

554
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:51,299
really spent enough time thinking about

555
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:52,559
that

556
00:25:00,529 --> 00:24:56,640
I would you know I would I would guess

557
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,539
maybe if that's come out of

558
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:03,360
um his association with you know with

559
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:06,179
having these these Elven helpers uh now

560
00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:10,620
certainly um Odin was connected to elves

561
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:11,700
um

562
00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:15,000
now he wasn't uh the uh the actual Lord

563
00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:20,460
of of uh alfheim was uh freyr so uh it

564
00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:22,140
wasn't Odin or anything but Odin

565
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:24,179
certainly had plenty of of dealings with

566
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:27,539
elves you know if if if you read the uh

567
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:29,940
the Etta's or anything uh

568
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,059
there's no shortage of a vote you know

569
00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:35,700
having dealings with elves or or dwarves

570
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:37,799
or any other you know

571
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:41,159
logical uh creatures sort of native to

572
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:42,659
to that culture

573
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,380
um

574
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:46,080
and so yeah I mean there is a strong

575
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:48,299
connection to fairies I mean like I was

576
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:50,940
talking about with the the uh nisser you

577
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,260
know certainly

578
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:56,810
and you know there are a lot of other

579
00:26:01,610 --> 00:26:00,000
sort of interesting folklore characters

580
00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:01,620
who have come out of that time who are

581
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:03,000
who are very similar you know you can

582
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,500
look at like uh uh Frau perkta for for

583
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:08,640
instance

584
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,360
um

585
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:11,760
and uh and she's like this Christmas

586
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:14,520
witch basically who is supposed to lead

587
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:19,260
a very similar sort of A procession uh

588
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,140
this time of of year although much

589
00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:24,480
sadder and Grimmer like instead of

590
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:26,940
leading like a fairy procession or the

591
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,220
honored dead or or something similar uh

592
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:31,679
her uh her procession is said to be like

593
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,440
the ghosts of of dead children and

594
00:26:39,409 --> 00:26:37,679
because there are a lot of like uh myths

595
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:39,419
and and stories that are associated with

596
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:41,580
this time of year that are very very

597
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:45,779
dark and so uh Frau practice thing is

598
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,700
um he will uh judge you if uh you

599
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:53,039
haven't like uh got all of your weaving

600
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:53,820
done

601
00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:56,220
uh this is specifically women too I

602
00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:58,380
think uh if you haven't got all of your

603
00:27:03,529 --> 00:27:00,120
your weaving done or your house isn't

604
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:03,539
like clean enough then she might

605
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:06,539
disembowel you and like stuff your guts

606
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:08,520
with rocks and straw and then sew it

607
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:13,559
back up which does not make

608
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:16,020
no

609
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:22,310
I don't like her I'm just gonna say it

610
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,220
now I don't like her yeah it is so let's

611
00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:28,080
moving from that moving from the lore

612
00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:31,140
into people actually seeing Santa Claus

613
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:34,440
or what they perceive as Santa Claus and

614
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:37,020
his reindeer I've I've had two

615
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:39,960
experiences myself one hearing it and

616
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,260
one seeing I can't be 100 if they're a

617
00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:45,840
reindeer but there's no way these could

618
00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:48,419
be elk what I saw because there's no elk

619
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,100
out this way

620
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:52,559
so I don't know if they escape from a

621
00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:56,580
preserve what happened I lived on top of

622
00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:00,120
the floor and we were coming back and it

623
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,000
was snowy and I was with my mom and we

624
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:05,279
turned in before we got to where we

625
00:28:09,649 --> 00:28:07,620
lived and she was driving and she was

626
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:09,659
talking and I said stop and it was

627
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:11,159
snowing and she got that you know she

628
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,840
got agitated because she stopped on the

629
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,640
slippery Road she's like what I'm like

630
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,279
there's reindeer there there is reindeer

631
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:18,960
and she's like no and she turned and

632
00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:22,380
there were three or four reindeer just

633
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:24,900
standing off to the side and looking at

634
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:25,620
us

635
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:29,940
she looked at me and then looked back

636
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,279
and then just put her hands on them and

637
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:34,080
just drove she didn't say a word and I

638
00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:35,700
said did you see that she's like I

639
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,900
didn't see a thing

640
00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:38,640
I didn't say a thing you didn't see a

641
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,400
thing I didn't see a thing I'm like but

642
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:43,440
those are reindeer those are I was

643
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:44,940
little enough like those were Santa's

644
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:46,200
reindeer she's like I don't know what

645
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,179
they were but we didn't see it because

646
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:50,760
it was it was dark you know but it was

647
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:53,520
slight enough for because of the houses

648
00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:56,340
you could see them and we never come

649
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:58,020
again

650
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,179
and then the second thing was we found

651
00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:03,120
out that Santa wasn't real

652
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:04,580
right

653
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:07,320
being older I don't know if they escaped

654
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:09,240
from there's a preserve over the

655
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,640
mountain so could they could they have

656
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:14,159
been ELP or actual reindeer that escaped

657
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:16,380
from that preserve and made their way up

658
00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:17,340
there

659
00:29:21,289 --> 00:29:19,320
but it's a small town it's a small

660
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:21,299
Mountain you would have heard

661
00:29:27,409 --> 00:29:24,559
nobody ever say anything

662
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,419
and up there's there's light there so

663
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,000
that it's just very weird and then

664
00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:32,399
second thing was I found out when I

665
00:29:37,549 --> 00:29:34,740
found out Santa wasn't real okay

666
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,559
so I I was very adamant like you're kind

667
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:39,600
of lying to me you know I I believe

668
00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:42,419
Israel and she's like not this year that

669
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:45,779
this is the truth like okay so I'm in

670
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:48,480
bed it's it's late and I hear very

671
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,940
distantly sleigh bells

672
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:52,320
and I'm like

673
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,539
I said I keep listening listening and I

674
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,159
hear them they're getting louder and

675
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,320
closer and you could hear them just

676
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,720
going over the house well I run out of

677
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:02,960
my room and into my mom's room I'm like

678
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,179
do you hear that do you

679
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:09,120
the TV lowered the TV like that was her

680
00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:10,320
religion

681
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:12,539
she covers the TV she's just like

682
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:14,520
listening I'm like oh Santa I'm like I

683
00:30:17,389 --> 00:30:16,020
told you he's real let's go outside and

684
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:17,399
look she's like no we're not going I

685
00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:18,299
mean she

686
00:30:22,669 --> 00:30:20,220
she was white

687
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:22,679
she and she was like you could tell she

688
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,419
was terrified

689
00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:26,640
I'm like but do you hear it she's like I

690
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,980
hear it and they were there was no me

691
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:31,200
and it just it passed overhead and you

692
00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:32,700
could hear it just going the other way

693
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:36,179
so when I got with my boyfriend I I

694
00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:38,760
randomly told him I'm like you know this

695
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:40,679
one time I heard Santa's sleigh bells

696
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:42,779
I'm like he's gonna think I'm crazy

697
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:45,840
he's like I heard them too

698
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,600
because he lived down from the mountain

699
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,120
so if they would have been coming from

700
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,559
this way

701
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:55,200
over towards mountain and he said I had

702
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:56,279
heard them too

703
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,260
he's like I don't remember when but I

704
00:31:02,210 --> 00:30:59,760
heard them too

705
00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:02,220
and I just stared at him he's like I

706
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,659
I've heard them

707
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:05,279
I never heard them again but I heard

708
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:07,260
them that one time

709
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:09,419
and I'm like so I'm not crazy he's like

710
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:11,340
no because I hurt them

711
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:15,000
so it makes you wonder what was that I

712
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:17,340
I've never heard it since

713
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,580
right you know no I think I can still

714
00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:22,799
clearly hear it yeah

715
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,059
yeah

716
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:28,080
fascinating because

717
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:31,559
on the one hand you know like you've got

718
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:33,299
this

719
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:37,679
bizarre phenomenon uh that is

720
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:41,399
clearly at least like associated with

721
00:31:49,210 --> 00:31:44,940
this this uh uh holiday you know really

722
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:49,220
like a A fictionalized or supposedly

723
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,580
fictionalized part of of this holiday

724
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:55,500
um you know and then on on the other

725
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:57,000
hand

726
00:32:02,090 --> 00:31:58,919
um it

727
00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:02,100
in order for it to I guess work as a

728
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:06,539
sort of proof you know uh of of some

729
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,260
sort of reality like behind the the uh

730
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:12,720
myths themselves you know like you would

731
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:16,440
you would expect to be able to see

732
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:18,659
the phenomena the the phenomenon

733
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:21,840
behaving in a way that is consistent

734
00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:23,640
with

735
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,520
um what you would expect you know like

736
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:29,039
if say for instance Santa is real so

737
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,700
like if Santa is real and was uh you

738
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,039
know driving a team of eight tiny

739
00:32:39,889 --> 00:32:37,200
reindeer pulling his sleigh through the

740
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:39,899
sky and um you know and people were

741
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:41,700
hearing his bells and stuff like I would

742
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:43,380
expect

743
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:47,940
for there to be uh Santa sightings which

744
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,520
there are interestingly enough but I

745
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:52,320
would also expect

746
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:55,980
um you know something like uh anomalous

747
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:58,440
presence showing up you know people

748
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,620
reporting strange gifts

749
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:03,539
um although interestingly enough I I

750
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:07,740
have had one report of of that well kind

751
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:08,820
of

752
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,520
um and so I think what what we would

753
00:33:15,769 --> 00:33:13,440
want to look for here

754
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:15,779
is

755
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,440
um some kind of of evidence that that

756
00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:21,840
could act as as any kind of confirmation

757
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:24,299
you know interestingly enough like I I

758
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:28,080
just mentioned I do have one report that

759
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:31,679
I received from a a young woman who said

760
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:34,980
that she had seen Santa's sleigh when

761
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:36,840
she was younger so this actually comes

762
00:33:42,889 --> 00:33:41,039
from uh Haley Pierce uh who was 24 at

763
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:42,899
the time she actually reported this to

764
00:33:47,389 --> 00:33:45,720
me which would have been last year but

765
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:47,399
at the time of her sighting you know she

766
00:33:50,110 --> 00:33:49,080
was she was much younger right around

767
00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:50,120
eight

768
00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:54,299
and so uh this took place in Lancaster

769
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:57,659
Ohio on Christmas Eve and you know what

770
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:59,220
I'd like to do is I'll just read her

771
00:34:06,190 --> 00:34:02,399
report as as she uh gave it to me

772
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,200
um so what she said was when I was

773
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:08,820
uh when I was a kid I absolutely

774
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:11,460
believed in Santa Claus as much as a kid

775
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,760
possibly could so much so in fact that I

776
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,159
wanted to be Santa when I grew up I

777
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:18,960
believed in Santa a lot later than I

778
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:20,820
probably should have I was in sixth

779
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:23,339
grade before I finally lost the spirit I

780
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,839
think a lot of that has to do with my

781
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:26,639
experience

782
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:28,980
I was probably eight years old we were

783
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:31,020
leaving the 11 pm Christmas Eve service

784
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:33,659
at our church in Lancaster Ohio I had

785
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:35,399
been obsessively tracking Santa on the

786
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,560
NORAD website all day and was looking

787
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,879
forward to getting home so I'd be

788
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:40,320
crawling to bed and stay up as late as

789
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:42,359
possible listening for sleigh bells or

790
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,099
hooks on our roof like I did every year

791
00:34:48,530 --> 00:34:46,320
I was the first person out of the church

792
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:48,540
when the service was over because what

793
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,099
little kid wants to stay in church on

794
00:34:54,829 --> 00:34:52,560
Christmas Eve which is a fair point it

795
00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:54,839
was a clear cold night and the stars

796
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,820
were gorgeous so I was admiring the

797
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:58,380
Stars when I saw a kind of shimmering

798
00:35:02,089 --> 00:35:00,180
out of the corner of my eye I looked and

799
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:02,099
saw what I can only describe as Santa's

800
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:04,200
sleigh it looked just like it does in

801
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,160
every movie

802
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,920
it was pulled by reindeer and it left a

803
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:09,599
trail of glowing glitter behind it that

804
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:11,640
faded quickly I don't remember if I

805
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:13,560
heard sleigh bells or not

806
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:16,020
it happened so fast but I was absolutely

807
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:18,660
sure of what I saw I kind of stood there

808
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:20,760
in shock until my parents came out I

809
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,140
told them what I had seen and they

810
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,300
basically said Well we'd better get home

811
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,040
and get to bed so he doesn't skip our

812
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:28,560
house over the years

813
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,420
I kind of began to doubt my sighting

814
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:31,920
chalked it up to a shooting star and

815
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:33,780
wishful thinking but as I've gotten

816
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:35,339
older and become more open-minded about

817
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,540
the nature of the universe and the

818
00:35:40,970 --> 00:35:39,119
Paranormal I've exp I've accepted my

819
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:40,980
experience for what it was it was

820
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:42,420
Santa's sleigh

821
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:43,800
and so

822
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:45,720
there's a lot that's interesting about

823
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:48,119
that obviously um you know I I did ask

824
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:50,040
her some follow-up questions uh she said

825
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:55,069
um and couldn't make out you know any

826
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:58,800
details of them but you know it was far

827
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:02,160
away and it it happened pretty fast

828
00:36:08,530 --> 00:36:04,500
um and she hadn't experienced any other

829
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:08,540
unusual phenomena of uh around that time

830
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,700
and so it's something of a mystery

831
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:13,280
frankly you know it's

832
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:16,200
it's so bizarre because again on the one

833
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:19,680
hand you know you have this um uh citing

834
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:22,859
report from a reliable credible uh

835
00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:25,619
person who has seen something that is

836
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:28,440
seemingly uh impossible

837
00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:29,579
uh you know

838
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:32,280
um but uh but on the other hand

839
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:33,480
um it's

840
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,859
not

841
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:36,320
completely

842
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:39,839
behaving in a way that you know you

843
00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:44,099
would uh expect uh something like like

844
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:45,900
that hey if if it really was

845
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:48,960
representative of this this uh myth sort

846
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:51,480
of come to life you know there are lots

847
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,540
of people well right I should say there

848
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:56,880
are some people within the Paranormal

849
00:37:02,329 --> 00:36:59,700
Community which is probably a very tiny

850
00:37:05,170 --> 00:37:02,339
fraction of the overall population of

851
00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:05,180
the the actual world so some people

852
00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:08,099
believe that uh you know sightings of

853
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:11,099
Santa or uh the Easter Bunny which I

854
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:12,780
have at least two Easter Bunny sightings

855
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:15,839
that people have sent to

856
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:18,320
um are representative of

857
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:21,240
a a thought form you know something

858
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:25,920
created out of a human belief you know

859
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:27,180
and I think that's a very interesting

860
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:28,859
idea

861
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:32,280
um and uh and you know it it sort of

862
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:34,740
explains some things but but you know

863
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,220
doesn't really even as a thought

864
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:41,280
exercise doesn't really work as a a

865
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:44,099
perfect explanation you know so

866
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:47,099
if you've got something that has been

867
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:49,320
created out of human belief you know

868
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:51,780
like one you would expect that thing uh

869
00:37:57,069 --> 00:37:54,119
let's say that we were able to conjure

870
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:57,079
Santa out of you know the the human

871
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:01,200
subconscious and power of belief right

872
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:03,420
now you would expect that this thought

873
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:06,060
form wouldn't know that it's it's a

874
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:07,920
thought form it wouldn't go oh man I

875
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:10,440
came out of human belief no it would it

876
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:13,320
would have to think that what it was was

877
00:38:17,810 --> 00:38:15,720
really Santa Claus right because

878
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:17,820
otherwise it just it just doesn't work

879
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,800
you know just logically just just

880
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:21,599
doesn't make sense like it would it

881
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:23,880
would have to believe that it it really

882
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:24,839
is

883
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:27,900
the Santa Claus and then you would

884
00:38:35,089 --> 00:38:30,839
expect it to do more Santa Claus things

885
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,099
right for lack of a better uh phrasing

886
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:37,500
you know you would expect

887
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:39,240
um to see

888
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:41,820
I don't know something like anomalous

889
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:45,300
gifts or or even like something some

890
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:47,940
sort of like interaction even like from

891
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,300
out of popular media you know like uh

892
00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:54,240
Santa Claus coming down the chimney and

893
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:56,040
you know talking to children and telling

894
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,380
them to go back to sleep and then you

895
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,960
know disappearing in a twinkle of fairy

896
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:03,839
Duster or something similar but we don't

897
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:05,400
really get that you know like you don't

898
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,180
get a lot of reports like that you get

899
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,820
um you know stuff like like yours uh

900
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,960
where

901
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:15,839
um it's sort of phantom sleigh bells

902
00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:18,300
and you get stuff like daily citing

903
00:39:21,970 --> 00:39:19,740
where

904
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:21,980
um you know it's this this sort of slay

905
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:25,079
uh just riding by and I don't know I

906
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:27,960
think some people might explain that by

907
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,540
saying well if it is a thought form

908
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:32,640
um you know even if it does believe that

909
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:34,200
it's the real Santa which it probably

910
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,859
should uh is sort of limited in what it

911
00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:40,320
can do and so you only get you know

912
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:44,040
these uh these these sort of uh minor

913
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:46,619
phenomena out of this larger phenomenon

914
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,560
so you know the the power of belief was

915
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,040
only strong enough to to summon Phantom

916
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:55,440
sleigh bells in your case or a slave

917
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,680
flying by and in Haley's case

918
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:01,440
and then alternatively

919
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:03,720
um you know I I think the other uh

920
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:06,599
competing paranormal explanation for

921
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:10,740
this would be uh something like in uh

922
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:13,320
induced hallucination I don't mean like

923
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:15,780
you know oh people are just imagining it

924
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:19,440
or hallucinating I mean something wanted

925
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,980
her to see that slave specifically you

926
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:24,240
know what I mean

927
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:27,960
um you know if if if you're into uh

928
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,280
UFOs and uh Alien Abduction uh you're

929
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:34,440
you know you're certainly familiar with

930
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:37,859
the idea of stream memories um

931
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,660
and so you know like that's something

932
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:42,000
that we should consider you know there

933
00:40:46,849 --> 00:40:45,480
are stories of uh of kids of waking up

934
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,859
you know Christmas Eve or early

935
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,140
Christmas morning to see a figure like

936
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:50,640
Santa

937
00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:53,520
um and uh but there's not a lot of you

938
00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:55,859
know like uh interaction in in the sort

939
00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:57,780
of way that I would expect

940
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:00,300
um uh especially if it's out uh you know

941
00:41:04,810 --> 00:41:03,180
coming out of human belief it like that

942
00:41:07,790 --> 00:41:04,820
belief would be

943
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:07,800
strongly influenced by by popular media

944
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:10,500
you know and so you would expect this

945
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:13,440
figure to act more like the cinema like

946
00:41:21,069 --> 00:41:17,940
the the uh uh uh cinematographic version

947
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:21,079
right or yeah

948
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:22,859
cinemagraphic there we go that's the

949
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:24,599
word I want

950
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:29,460
the the central graphic version of of

951
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:32,040
Santa and you don't get much of that

952
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:34,200
what did you get as like kids waking up

953
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,940
and seeing this strange man in their

954
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:38,160
house or sometimes you know like I

955
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:39,900
mentioned before you'll have kids seeing

956
00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:43,200
a giant bunny you know hopping around

957
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:44,940
um and uh and and that's and that's

958
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:48,599
about it you know that's disturbing

959
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,190
it's good if uh if perhaps

960
00:42:02,030 --> 00:41:57,680
um this isn't some other phenomenon

961
00:42:07,450 --> 00:42:02,040
taking our our own cultural you know

962
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:07,460
icons and uh superimposing them over

963
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:11,400
whatever is actually happening as a way

964
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:14,820
to sort of mask that event

965
00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:16,500
um no I don't I don't know that that

966
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:19,320
that's true but given what we have right

967
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:21,900
now I I need more evidence

968
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,560
before you know I I would support the

969
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:27,680
the thought form

970
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:31,560
hypothesis versus something like uh in

971
00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:34,980
in induced hallucination uh to try to

972
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:37,380
mask something else you know given like

973
00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:40,400
I said just this this overall lack of of

974
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,230
well see like in my case that you have

975
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:53,520
to wonder what was going on in in like

976
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:55,500
that that girl's case you saw the sleigh

977
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:57,660
and everything like in my case I was I

978
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:59,339
was just finding out that he wasn't real

979
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:01,140
I was losing that magic

980
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:03,960
and my mom she she was obviously older

981
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:05,880
she didn't believe she knew he wasn't

982
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:08,040
real and then you had somebody like four

983
00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:10,380
miles away who heard it

984
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:12,599
so it just it makes you wonder what's

985
00:43:18,109 --> 00:43:14,520
happening in everyone's life at that

986
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:18,119
point to cause them to see it or what's

987
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,339
maybe waiting in the wings kind of like

988
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,280
this is the moment and if I do this if I

989
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:24,720
mimic something they're all thinking

990
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,760
about maybe there's some type of energy

991
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:29,520
I can feed off of I mean if it's not the

992
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:31,619
real thing you know because it just

993
00:43:36,349 --> 00:43:33,720
doesn't make sense makes sense to me I

994
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:36,359
don't know whatever

995
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,900
today it still disturbs me because it

996
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:42,000
was just here

997
00:43:46,210 --> 00:43:43,500
you know

998
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:46,220
yeah definitely well I think that

999
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:50,400
regardless of human belief plays a very

1000
00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:52,500
crucial role in this you know so if it

1001
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:56,339
is some sort of uh phenomenon powered by

1002
00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:58,020
human consciousness

1003
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,339
um then

1004
00:44:05,569 --> 00:44:01,980
yeah I mean obviously you know a belief

1005
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:05,579
is a a very Central component to that

1006
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:09,540
but also if it's it's it's something

1007
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:10,920
um you know trying to

1008
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:14,099
to manipulate our our perception in some

1009
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:15,119
way

1010
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:17,339
um well then you know again human belief

1011
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,040
plays a a very strong role in that as

1012
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:23,760
well because it's it's taking things uh

1013
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:26,819
out of our our minds frankly out of our

1014
00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:29,819
out of our cultures that uh we either

1015
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:32,339
you know already believe in or at least

1016
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:33,900
want to believe in

1017
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:39,119
and uh and using that as a a way to uh

1018
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:41,579
manipulate Us in some way now I saw

1019
00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:43,319
something flash up on on the screen here

1020
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:46,520
about a group of Ghost Hunters

1021
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:48,060
who

1022
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:49,740
um you know what was it invented a

1023
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,760
personal history for a ghost in a

1024
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:52,560
haunted house and in a few days other

1025
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:53,940
Ghost Hunters were reporting a new ghost

1026
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:55,260
here that fit the description they had

1027
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,020
created and and that's fascinating stuff

1028
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,000
and and I'm certainly not

1029
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:02,880
going to say that I think the idea of

1030
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:05,160
thought forms in general are impossible

1031
00:45:10,609 --> 00:45:07,980
because I definitely don't think that

1032
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,619
um I I think that there is some some

1033
00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:12,079
interesting

1034
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:16,859
uh uh uh reports out there of of things

1035
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:19,140
like exactly what uh what Nancy here is

1036
00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:21,000
talking about where

1037
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:23,339
um you know you've got spirits and and

1038
00:45:29,530 --> 00:45:27,060
and entities that are seemingly conjured

1039
00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:29,540
out of our own

1040
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:32,339
imaginations you know I think um John

1041
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:35,940
Keel sort of famously wrote about the uh

1042
00:45:42,490 --> 00:45:39,180
inventor of the the popular Polk uh geez

1043
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:42,500
I can't talk pulp comic book it's okay

1044
00:45:49,490 --> 00:45:45,839
the the uh shadow

1045
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:49,500
uh actually uh after his passing having

1046
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:53,040
his house haunted by this this pulp you

1047
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:55,800
know action uh radio and and comic

1048
00:46:00,530 --> 00:45:58,680
character that that he had created which

1049
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,540
is is very very interesting you know and

1050
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:02,400
so something like that

1051
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:04,440
um yeah I think it's it's very easy to

1052
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:07,020
to believe that there is a very

1053
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:09,180
necessary component of of human

1054
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:13,440
consciousness and and uh uh belief

1055
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,380
um involved in in that particular uh

1056
00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:19,920
phenomenon I just think that um

1057
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,839
it's very easy for us to to fall into in

1058
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:27,599
an explanation like thought forms that

1059
00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:30,960
are very difficult if not impossible to

1060
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:33,180
prove you know given our our current

1061
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,400
level of scientific understanding and

1062
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,200
and Technology

1063
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:38,880
and so

1064
00:46:44,329 --> 00:46:41,460
um I think we have to be open to uh

1065
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,339
alternative explanations when it comes

1066
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:47,520
to things like sightings of of uh

1067
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:50,940
mythical holiday entities you know I I

1068
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:53,579
think it's one thing to entertain uh

1069
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:56,760
thought forms as a a thought exercise or

1070
00:47:02,750 --> 00:46:59,460
even a hypothesis

1071
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:02,760
um but uh you know we we really have to

1072
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,619
be open to other possibilities because

1073
00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:06,960
at the end of the day we we just frankly

1074
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:08,339
don't know

1075
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:11,339
um and so what I would be interested in

1076
00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:14,220
finding out from you know from anybody

1077
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:16,859
who has had you know one of one of these

1078
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:20,700
uh a holiday encounters is you know have

1079
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:23,400
you had any other paranormal experiences

1080
00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:26,400
in your life if you have of of what

1081
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,140
nature you know like interestingly

1082
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:29,760
enough

1083
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:31,800
um you know when I when I asked Haley

1084
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:34,980
that uh she talked about now she didn't

1085
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,500
have anything around that time but

1086
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:39,599
throughout her life

1087
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:43,200
uh she has had three different UFO

1088
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,440
encounters including one where her and

1089
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:48,720
everyone in her family saw a black

1090
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,220
triangle

1091
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:53,760
um you know and so it's interesting to

1092
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:57,839
me that at the age of of eight years old

1093
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:01,920
you know uh she sees Santa's sleigh but

1094
00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:04,980
then goes on to have three more uh

1095
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:07,800
traditional UFO sightings uh throughout

1096
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:10,260
her her life so far and she's not very

1097
00:48:13,250 --> 00:48:11,040
old

1098
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,260
uh you know she's she's opening her her

1099
00:48:17,470 --> 00:48:15,599
mid-20s and so

1100
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:17,480
when you look at that

1101
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:20,339
holistically you know you you you look

1102
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:24,240
at all of it together what I see is a a

1103
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:28,640
pattern of of UFO

1104
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:33,240
encounters rather than one magical

1105
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:35,460
thought form encounter and then three

1106
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:38,640
UFO sightings you know

1107
00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:42,000
um and so what makes more sense to me in

1108
00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:45,420
this like this specific instance would

1109
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:46,619
be

1110
00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:50,339
um you know uh if UFOs uh or the the

1111
00:48:54,589 --> 00:48:52,260
entities behind them have a particular

1112
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,599
interest in this individual for some

1113
00:49:02,690 --> 00:48:56,400
reason

1114
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:02,700
that uh her first sighting very easily

1115
00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:05,160
could have been masked as as something

1116
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:09,480
else uh for you know what whatever uh uh

1117
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,300
otherworldly motivations that that we

1118
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:14,880
can only guess at you know

1119
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:18,319
and and that's the kind of of

1120
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:22,319
uh uh rationality I I would like to see

1121
00:49:31,690 --> 00:49:26,460
uh you know uh uh used when examining

1122
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:34,849
right and see what what gets me to is

1123
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,920
like so that that happened to her the

1124
00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:39,599
age eight and that was about eight or

1125
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:41,579
nine when it happened to me and it just

1126
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:43,740
those one times but you had all these

1127
00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:45,720
years leading up to it believing in this

1128
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,900
you know this figure and nothing

1129
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:50,400
you know there was never any other

1130
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:52,440
sightings any other sounds and it's just

1131
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,260
those one moments that you have and you

1132
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:56,880
hear it it just

1133
00:50:01,309 --> 00:49:58,680
like you said maybe it is a screen

1134
00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:01,319
memory because then afterwards like

1135
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:03,300
which is weird that you say that when I

1136
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:04,560
was a teenager

1137
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:07,380
we were we lived in a different town and

1138
00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:09,900
we were going into the local Kmart

1139
00:50:16,010 --> 00:50:12,119
when we're going into the Kmart there

1140
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,020
was a cigar shaped something I I don't

1141
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:17,760
know what it was to be honest it was

1142
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:22,370
and I had said to my mom was like look

1143
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:25,079
and there was a man and a woman off to

1144
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:28,140
what would be my left and they were like

1145
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:31,079
but everyone's talking they didn't you

1146
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:32,579
know they just like were looking at it

1147
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:34,380
and just kept talking and then that was

1148
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:36,900
my mom like look and she looked at it

1149
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,520
and she stopped and she looked and she's

1150
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:40,319
like let's go and she grabbed me by my

1151
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:41,700
arm and just dragged me into the store

1152
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,140
it's like we're not going out we're

1153
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:45,000
gonna do our shopping we're not talking

1154
00:50:50,329 --> 00:50:47,700
about it like but didn't you see that

1155
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,339
and she's like I saw it you saw it

1156
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:51,599
that's it we're not talking about

1157
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:52,980
anymore

1158
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:55,859
okay and that was it

1159
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,800
right a few years later that was in my

1160
00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:00,960
late 20s she had told me

1161
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:06,119
that when she was little she was chased

1162
00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:11,040
and she said God with her sister out ran

1163
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:13,079
into the house they told you know her

1164
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:16,140
father her mother his parents

1165
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:17,460
they went outside there's like nothing

1166
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:19,380
you kids are crazy and she's like I know

1167
00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:21,000
what we saw and I'm like it was like the

1168
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,160
one above the Kmart she looked at me and

1169
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:26,000
she's like what one above the gay part

1170
00:51:31,069 --> 00:51:28,380
like I know I'm not crazy you don't

1171
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:31,079
remember that she's like no

1172
00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:33,300
she's like I remember going in that day

1173
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:35,880
but I don't remember seeing anything

1174
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,460
it was just it was the weirdest thing so

1175
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:40,800
you that you saying that just makes me

1176
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,309
yeah I mean

1177
00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:48,720
sorry uh

1178
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,460
it's okay no well I know we're on the

1179
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,280
delay so it's okay

1180
00:51:58,730 --> 00:51:55,680
no I was I was just gonna say

1181
00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:58,740
um yeah I mean I I just like I said I

1182
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:01,079
think it's really important to uh

1183
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,380
examine the entire breadth of of a a

1184
00:52:11,410 --> 00:52:06,559
witness or or

1185
00:52:13,690 --> 00:52:11,420
experiencers uh uh sightings or uh

1186
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:13,700
encounters before

1187
00:52:19,609 --> 00:52:17,520
really trying to decide exactly you know

1188
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:19,619
what what is is going on with them you

1189
00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:22,559
know so like in your case you've got

1190
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:26,099
um this this uh history then of of UFO

1191
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:27,359
sightings

1192
00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:30,480
and then you know one one sleigh bell

1193
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:33,960
you know uh uh in encounter you know and

1194
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:36,119
and I guess at that point what what

1195
00:52:39,170 --> 00:52:38,460
makes more sense you know

1196
00:52:40,849 --> 00:52:39,180
um

1197
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:40,859
yeah that

1198
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:44,400
um you know there was uh uh for whatever

1199
00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:47,160
reason some other sound being masked uh

1200
00:52:51,770 --> 00:52:49,140
by by uh sleigh bells and you know

1201
00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:51,780
certainly like there is no shortage of

1202
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,319
of weird sounds uh associated with the

1203
00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:57,359
UFO phenomenon

1204
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:01,500
um and so you know uh I I I I can't say

1205
00:53:06,770 --> 00:53:04,020
you know for certain of of course I have

1206
00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:06,780
to remain open-minded no matter what but

1207
00:53:12,609 --> 00:53:10,500
it just seems odd to me to you know

1208
00:53:16,130 --> 00:53:12,619
isolate those particular

1209
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,140
experiences especially since they don't

1210
00:53:21,710 --> 00:53:19,200
really seem to

1211
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:21,720
um belong to I guess their their their

1212
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,780
own phenomenon in the sense that they

1213
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:26,640
don't repeat

1214
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:28,500
um you know like like well like you you

1215
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:31,980
said you had this one-off you know uh uh

1216
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,040
uh instance of hearing sleigh bells

1217
00:53:40,609 --> 00:53:37,440
which never heard them again and uh you

1218
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:40,619
didn't you know ever see Santa or hear

1219
00:53:45,049 --> 00:53:42,540
reindeer on on your roof or anything

1220
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,059
else and interestingly enough you know

1221
00:53:50,809 --> 00:53:47,520
your uh your boyfriend had heard the the

1222
00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:50,819
same thing so who's to say that

1223
00:53:57,849 --> 00:53:54,200
um you know there wasn't some sort of uh

1224
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:57,859
anomalous craft or or or something some

1225
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,599
phenomenon that that just happened to

1226
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:02,880
travel over that that area in that day

1227
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,460
and decided that it was going to

1228
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:06,960
manipulate our uh the the

1229
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,420
consciousnesses of of everybody in that

1230
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:12,240
area or at least the the people who who

1231
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:14,339
could perceive it into hearing sleigh

1232
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,380
bells and instead of whatever noise it

1233
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:18,900
was actually making

1234
00:54:28,609 --> 00:54:25,910
yeah it's never had like a real

1235
00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:28,619
experience other than maybe a few

1236
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,420
one-offs where he still sits there and

1237
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:32,640
tries to explain it out and he's he's

1238
00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:34,440
very skeptical like he's like there's

1239
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:37,079
always a logical answer until he can't

1240
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:38,700
figure out the logical answer and then

1241
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:40,859
he's like well I I know but

1242
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:43,020
he even sits there and goes I heard the

1243
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:45,180
sleigh bells I don't know what they are

1244
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:48,420
and it just it also like going back to

1245
00:54:54,770 --> 00:54:52,020
the UFO thing I had seen what I like

1246
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,780
there's another one about I would say I

1247
00:54:58,730 --> 00:54:56,640
think last year because I I have

1248
00:55:01,609 --> 00:54:58,740
pictures because I was outside with my

1249
00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:01,619
son and there was it looked like a blimp

1250
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,780
it looked like a silver blip going past

1251
00:55:07,010 --> 00:55:05,280
and I had been talking to him and I said

1252
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:07,020
why didn't you tell me like the blip

1253
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:08,400
there because every now and then the

1254
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:10,500
blimp does fly around like why didn't

1255
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:11,819
you tell me if blimp was flying around

1256
00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:13,380
because I would have made sure we were

1257
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:14,280
watching

1258
00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:16,920
he's like there's no blimp he's like

1259
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,180
there's nothing taking off from the

1260
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:20,880
airport I'm like I saw it I'm like I'm

1261
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,920
looking I'm looking right at the picture

1262
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:25,440
but it just went past and he's like oh

1263
00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:28,020
okay I look up again for some reason and

1264
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,400
it's just like it's coming back the

1265
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:31,200
other way really slow kind of like here

1266
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,520
I am

1267
00:55:36,290 --> 00:55:34,800
and then I'm like I have to let you go

1268
00:55:38,089 --> 00:55:36,300
and he's like why I'm like I'm gonna

1269
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:38,099
take pictures there's just something out

1270
00:55:42,109 --> 00:55:39,960
right so as soon as I hung up and I went

1271
00:55:44,569 --> 00:55:42,119
to take pictures it went

1272
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:44,579
back the other way it came and it just

1273
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:47,099
started circling and going up and it was

1274
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,020
it was just the weirdest thing and I I

1275
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:50,880
screamed for my kid to come up out of

1276
00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:52,140
the yard because I got the worst

1277
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:55,319
feelings so it's like a gut a gut

1278
00:55:59,329 --> 00:55:57,240
feeling like something bad that's gonna

1279
00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:59,339
happen but I've never seen that since

1280
00:56:03,170 --> 00:56:01,319
and I I have I could send them to you if

1281
00:56:05,150 --> 00:56:03,180
you want they're very they're very

1282
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:05,160
strange pictures and it's just it's not

1283
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:06,720
a normal airplane we get airplanes

1284
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:08,280
around here all the time it's not an

1285
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:09,359
airplane

1286
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,880
it's it's very awesome so I don't know

1287
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:13,680
if that would be yeah I don't know if

1288
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:15,780
that would be related to it but I I

1289
00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:17,099
can't say

1290
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:19,380
but that was that freaked me out very

1291
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:20,819
bad too

1292
00:56:26,809 --> 00:56:23,400
sure I mean generally speaking

1293
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:26,819
um just uh in my experience of working

1294
00:56:32,270 --> 00:56:28,680
with with Witnesses and of course like

1295
00:56:36,109 --> 00:56:32,280
the the weird things I have uh just uh

1296
00:56:40,849 --> 00:56:36,119
experienced on my my own

1297
00:56:42,349 --> 00:56:40,859
um it's unusual for me to speak to a a

1298
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:42,359
witness

1299
00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:47,040
who has had multiple instances of you

1300
00:56:52,430 --> 00:56:49,079
know some kind of of paranormal

1301
00:56:57,470 --> 00:56:52,440
phenomena in in their life and not have

1302
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:57,480
those phenomena be related in in some

1303
00:56:59,450 --> 00:56:58,260
way

1304
00:57:02,870 --> 00:56:59,460
you know

1305
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,880
um and so like like I I I said before

1306
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:05,520
you know like you you look at uh at

1307
00:57:12,109 --> 00:57:09,240
Haley's uh experiences and you know I

1308
00:57:15,890 --> 00:57:12,119
think it would be remiss of us to say

1309
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:15,900
that she had uh one Santa's sleigh

1310
00:57:20,510 --> 00:57:18,300
sighting and three UFO sightings when

1311
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:20,520
really the most accurately like the the

1312
00:57:26,809 --> 00:57:22,800
most accurate way you can explain that

1313
00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:26,819
is she had four UFO sightings frankly

1314
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:29,400
um going by the the strictest definition

1315
00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:33,119
of UFO which is the only one I like uh

1316
00:57:37,609 --> 00:57:35,700
of being in unidentified flying object

1317
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:37,619
you know so yes you didn't see Santa's

1318
00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:39,660
sleigh and then three UFOs she's seen

1319
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,940
four UFOs

1320
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:43,200
um

1321
00:57:48,349 --> 00:57:46,740
and so uh you know I I I find that to be

1322
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:48,359
you know like I said pretty pretty

1323
00:57:53,569 --> 00:57:51,960
similar uh uh across the board even you

1324
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,579
know uh with people who have said that

1325
00:57:58,430 --> 00:57:56,160
they have lived in a haunted house and

1326
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:58,440
then you know gone on to experience

1327
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:01,140
something else you know be that uh

1328
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,040
something in the the UFO uh field or or

1329
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:07,920
you know something else uh uh in the the

1330
00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:11,099
Cryptid world or or similar you know

1331
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:13,740
um so much of the the phenomena between

1332
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:17,220
those uh aspects of the the larger

1333
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,640
paranormal picture are so similar that

1334
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,040
um you know the at least the way people

1335
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:25,680
tend to experience them you know have

1336
00:58:30,349 --> 00:58:28,020
have uh connections throughout

1337
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,359
throughout their their life and so you

1338
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:32,400
know I I think that we have to be

1339
00:58:39,230 --> 00:58:35,520
willing to

1340
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:39,240
um look at them holistically and uh and

1341
00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:40,859
and not try to

1342
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:43,079
separate them out you know and put them

1343
00:58:48,049 --> 00:58:46,260
in these these little categories

1344
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,059
um you know because I I think that

1345
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:49,920
that's not getting us any closer to

1346
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:51,960
really understanding it you know I can

1347
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:54,839
try to give you an uh example here so

1348
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:56,819
you know I talked to and this isn't very

1349
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,980
Christmassy but it does kind of speak to

1350
00:59:02,750 --> 00:59:00,720
what I'm talking about

1351
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:02,760
um there was a woman up in Rogers

1352
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:04,500
Minnesota I talked to a couple of years

1353
00:59:09,650 --> 00:59:07,920
ago uh named Olga and she wanted to get

1354
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,660
a hold of me because of some shadow

1355
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:12,000
person sightings that she had had in her

1356
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:13,920
house and so I talked to her about the

1357
00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:16,319
the shadow people sightings

1358
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:19,260
and they were pretty weird and uh well

1359
00:59:26,569 --> 00:59:23,760
as they are want to be right and um and

1360
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:26,579
so you know as it turned out uh at least

1361
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:28,680
one of these these entities seemed to be

1362
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:29,940
watching

1363
00:59:35,630 --> 00:59:33,420
uh her grandson Toby while he he slept

1364
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:35,640
which was weird

1365
00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:37,740
um and then I asked her about other you

1366
00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:39,660
know phenomena that that might be

1367
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,460
happening in their home or it might have

1368
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:43,200
happened to other family members and she

1369
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,160
tells me about you know some

1370
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:48,240
anomalous lights

1371
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:49,500
um

1372
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:53,280
and you know she tells me about how her

1373
00:59:58,730 --> 00:59:56,640
son had also experienced uh some weird

1374
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:58,740
stuff well like while he was in bed like

1375
01:00:02,690 --> 01:00:00,900
it felt like somebody was sitting on his

1376
01:00:04,849 --> 01:00:02,700
bed with him

1377
01:00:07,069 --> 01:00:04,859
and uh and she had actually experienced

1378
01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:07,079
something uh seeing a weird light in bed

1379
01:00:10,190 --> 01:00:07,980
too

1380
01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:10,200
and so what was interesting to me about

1381
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:11,940
that

1382
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:16,980
was regardless of what they were

1383
01:00:21,710 --> 01:00:18,780
experiencing

1384
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:21,720
um there was at least this one

1385
01:00:26,809 --> 01:00:25,140
commonality of of being in bed now not

1386
01:00:29,569 --> 01:00:26,819
everything happened while they were in

1387
01:00:33,049 --> 01:00:29,579
bed but enough of it it did where I

1388
01:00:35,150 --> 01:00:33,059
couldn't ignore it you know and so it's

1389
01:00:37,549 --> 01:00:35,160
commonalities like that that I I

1390
01:00:39,049 --> 01:00:37,559
normally look for now some people might

1391
01:00:42,770 --> 01:00:39,059
have tried to put those in separate

1392
01:00:46,670 --> 01:00:42,780
boxes and been like okay well you've got

1393
01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:46,680
um you know some some shadow people uh

1394
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:49,799
uh phenomenon you've got this this uh

1395
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,079
ghost phenomenon in the sitting on on

1396
01:00:58,250 --> 01:00:54,720
the bed and uh you've got this UFO

1397
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,260
phenomenon in the anomalous lights but

1398
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:00,240
you know that kind of Senseless

1399
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:02,460
categorization doesn't really get us any

1400
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,220
any closer well you know really

1401
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,440
examining the the commonalities I I

1402
01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:09,839
think might you know so if if you look

1403
01:01:14,089 --> 01:01:11,700
at for instance

1404
01:01:16,849 --> 01:01:14,099
you know the uh the experiences like

1405
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:16,859
they've they've had while in in bed you

1406
01:01:24,609 --> 01:01:20,880
know like you can start to look at

1407
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:24,619
um the similarities right like so uh

1408
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,420
Altered States Of Consciousness for

1409
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:29,280
instance you know even if you're like

1410
01:01:33,289 --> 01:01:30,900
being asleep of course is an altered

1411
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:33,299
state of consciousness but so is falling

1412
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:37,200
asleep so is waking up you know um

1413
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:40,680
uh so so was highway hypnosis you know

1414
01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:44,640
uh meditation like there are are lots of

1415
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,020
different Altered States of of

1416
01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:48,720
Consciousness that that we we enter into

1417
01:01:54,109 --> 01:01:51,960
uh sometimes without knowing it and uh

1418
01:01:56,770 --> 01:01:54,119
and there seems to be a definite link

1419
01:02:01,309 --> 01:01:56,780
between that and people having

1420
01:02:03,230 --> 01:02:01,319
paranormal experiences you know and so

1421
01:02:06,109 --> 01:02:03,240
you know I I think it's it's that kind

1422
01:02:08,410 --> 01:02:06,119
of stuff that that you miss out on if

1423
01:02:11,870 --> 01:02:08,420
you you try to take you know everything

1424
01:02:14,569 --> 01:02:11,880
that has some kind of of of uh

1425
01:02:16,430 --> 01:02:14,579
superficial difference and uh separate

1426
01:02:18,289 --> 01:02:16,440
it completely from everything else and

1427
01:02:21,049 --> 01:02:18,299
and not try to look for commonalities

1428
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,059
you know between these these seemingly

1429
01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:23,280
disparate phenomena which you know again

1430
01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:25,020
is why

1431
01:02:29,870 --> 01:02:26,760
um if somebody comes to me with a

1432
01:02:31,250 --> 01:02:29,880
holiday story as you know cool as it

1433
01:02:34,190 --> 01:02:31,260
would be and as much as I want to

1434
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:34,200
believe in some kind of of objective

1435
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,420
truth to to Santa Claus as well even if

1436
01:02:42,530 --> 01:02:38,640
it's just as a thought form I have to

1437
01:02:47,329 --> 01:02:44,390
the entirety of their experience

1438
01:02:49,609 --> 01:02:47,339
encounter in the totality of their

1439
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:49,619
experiences just like I would you know

1440
01:03:04,910 --> 01:02:52,319
any other uh uh case that that ever

1441
01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:07,250
oh oh Bernadette I can't hear you for

1442
01:03:12,109 --> 01:03:09,540
for some reason I'm I'm not sure okay

1443
01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:12,119
can you hear me now yes yeah okay

1444
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:15,000
perfect sorry about that I think anyone

1445
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:17,220
who who would bring their story to you

1446
01:03:20,210 --> 01:03:18,839
or any other investigator like that

1447
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:20,220
they're just they're looking for the

1448
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,680
truth and you know they want you to dig

1449
01:03:27,770 --> 01:03:25,440
into it they want you to you know be

1450
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:27,780
that way and and try to help them not

1451
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,000
just be like oh yeah you saw Santa it's

1452
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,400
a thought form you're okay you know they

1453
01:03:37,130 --> 01:03:34,559
they want you to dig for it so I I

1454
01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:37,140
totally agree for with you so I have a

1455
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:38,520
couple questions for you do you mind

1456
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:41,700
taking questions okay no no

1457
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:43,920
okay Vincent wants to know what about

1458
01:03:48,589 --> 01:03:46,380
Elf on the Shelf is that a new take on

1459
01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:48,599
an old tradition

1460
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:51,720
go for the Shelf um you know it's I

1461
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:54,960
think it's it's largely just uh more

1462
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:57,599
commercialization of uh of you know

1463
01:04:05,329 --> 01:04:01,200
beloved Christmas tropes but um you know

1464
01:04:08,270 --> 01:04:05,339
it it it does at least speak to this uh

1465
01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:08,280
uh persistent uh Association of this

1466
01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:10,980
time of year with being judged I mean

1467
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:12,900
that's been happening forever

1468
01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:16,079
um even Santa today still has that

1469
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:19,260
aspect to him where you know he knows

1470
01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:20,640
who has been naughty he knows who has

1471
01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:22,380
been nice if you've been nice you get

1472
01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:24,059
presents if you've been naughty you get

1473
01:04:28,270 --> 01:04:26,339
a lump of coal and that goes you know

1474
01:04:31,849 --> 01:04:28,280
all the way back to Odin you know

1475
01:04:32,569 --> 01:04:31,859
judging people you know during Ewell

1476
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:32,579
um

1477
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,559
uh might be reminiscent of uh you know a

1478
01:04:45,289 --> 01:04:43,680
friendly household Spirit like the

1479
01:04:46,010 --> 01:04:45,299
nisser for instance

1480
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:46,020
um

1481
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:51,599
uh it doesn't really speak to a specific

1482
01:04:58,010 --> 01:04:55,020
you know uh uh tradition

1483
01:05:00,650 --> 01:04:58,020
um in that you know I I don't think who

1484
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:00,660
like whoever invented it was saying okay

1485
01:05:04,730 --> 01:05:03,119
well I'm gonna update this this sort of

1486
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,740
traditional belief you know for the the

1487
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,720
21st century

1488
01:05:12,650 --> 01:05:09,119
um I think it was just a a way to start

1489
01:05:15,410 --> 01:05:12,660
a new tradition and make some money uh

1490
01:05:16,849 --> 01:05:15,420
while uh sort of playing on and

1491
01:05:19,309 --> 01:05:16,859
reinforcing

1492
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:19,319
uh some some beliefs that are already

1493
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,260
associated with with this time of year

1494
01:05:28,250 --> 01:05:24,480
like some being is watching you the view

1495
01:05:30,770 --> 01:05:28,260
the entire the entire season

1496
01:05:33,289 --> 01:05:30,780
's entire season so yeah I mean people

1497
01:05:36,190 --> 01:05:33,299
are already used to like being judged

1498
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:36,200
like uh on Christmas or around Christmas

1499
01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:39,780
and so you know instead of uh you know

1500
01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:42,540
it being Santa you Market it as this elf

1501
01:05:47,450 --> 01:05:44,040
and say oh he's gonna watch you for

1502
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:47,460
Santa you know so but yeah I I don't I

1503
01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:49,140
don't think it has anything more to be

1504
01:05:53,530 --> 01:05:51,240
with that certainly there isn't some uh

1505
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:53,540
ancient belief of which I am aware of

1506
01:05:59,210 --> 01:05:56,220
you know an elf that hangs around your

1507
01:06:03,289 --> 01:05:59,220
house and and judges you on behalf of of

1508
01:06:06,650 --> 01:06:03,299
Odin or Santa or or anybody else

1509
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:06,660
that's good to know was Santa considered

1510
01:06:13,309 --> 01:06:10,500
an elf king Nancy Malcolm wants to know

1511
01:06:17,690 --> 01:06:13,319
okay so very very interesting

1512
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:17,700
um now as I I touched on before

1513
01:06:26,809 --> 01:06:22,440
um now there is some Association of uh

1514
01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:26,819
between Odin and and elves but uh the

1515
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:29,700
actual lord of the the elves in the the

1516
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:33,420
Germanic uh tradition was freyr and uh

1517
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:38,460
he was a a Vander God of uh uh fertility

1518
01:06:42,589 --> 01:06:40,980
and he's not really associated with with

1519
01:06:43,490 --> 01:06:42,599
Yule at all

1520
01:06:47,650 --> 01:06:43,500
um

1521
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:47,660
and so I think that there has been some

1522
01:06:54,589 --> 01:06:51,780
uh uh conflation perhaps you know

1523
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:54,599
between Odin and freyr

1524
01:07:01,849 --> 01:06:58,799
um because of the association of you

1525
01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:01,859
know uh uh uh nisser and then later you

1526
01:07:06,890 --> 01:07:05,220
know uh Santa's elves with with this

1527
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:06,900
time of year

1528
01:07:11,930 --> 01:07:09,180
um and so you know I mean when when you

1529
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:11,940
look at say like for instance Odin in

1530
01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:14,760
the the Norse tradition

1531
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,460
um you know he was the king of the Gods

1532
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:20,160
certainly uh he was known as the the the

1533
01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:22,260
all father

1534
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:24,420
um you know you could make the argument

1535
01:07:28,849 --> 01:07:26,760
that there really wasn't much uh that

1536
01:07:30,529 --> 01:07:28,859
you know he wasn't you know Lord over in

1537
01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:30,539
in his way

1538
01:07:35,089 --> 01:07:32,579
um but no he wasn't specifically you

1539
01:07:37,309 --> 01:07:35,099
know in in elf king or or anything like

1540
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:37,319
that um I I think that like I said

1541
01:07:40,370 --> 01:07:38,880
that's that's something that's just been

1542
01:07:42,829 --> 01:07:40,380
conflated between those two characters

1543
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:42,839
because of the the later

1544
01:07:47,870 --> 01:07:43,680
um

1545
01:07:54,890 --> 01:07:47,880
uh uh edition of of elves into the the

1546
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:58,789
Gary Krampus

1547
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:59,990
I can't believe I didn't talk about

1548
01:08:03,470 --> 01:08:01,920
Krampus everybody loves Krampus he is

1549
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:03,480
super hot

1550
01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:04,160
um

1551
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:07,020
I've seen some of those parades they are

1552
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:08,880
scary like I don't think I would want to

1553
01:08:12,049 --> 01:08:10,500
go to one of those breaks they're scary

1554
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,059
right

1555
01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:14,160
um no uh well yeah I mean he's a very

1556
01:08:18,530 --> 01:08:16,440
popular character these these days which

1557
01:08:20,269 --> 01:08:18,540
is surprising to me because he's the

1558
01:08:23,650 --> 01:08:20,279
last person you'd ever want to have show

1559
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:23,660
up you know at your house because yeah

1560
01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:28,859
but bad news um so uh krampus's Origins

1561
01:08:32,689 --> 01:08:30,839
are a little murky which is something we

1562
01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:32,699
run into with this all the time because

1563
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:35,460
the fact is there weren't good written

1564
01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:36,480
records

1565
01:08:39,530 --> 01:08:37,080
um

1566
01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:39,540
you know prior to uh Christian

1567
01:08:47,209 --> 01:08:42,660
conversion in any of these cultures you

1568
01:08:49,849 --> 01:08:47,219
know um like I I my ancestors are are uh

1569
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:49,859
like Norse and uh Anglo-Saxon and Celtic

1570
01:08:55,010 --> 01:08:51,719
and we didn't keep any written records

1571
01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:55,020
until you know post-conversion like and

1572
01:09:00,530 --> 01:08:57,480
monks started writing things down

1573
01:09:03,050 --> 01:09:00,540
um and so uh the the origins of Krampus

1574
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,060
are kind of difficult to parse out but

1575
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,279
there are a lot of Scholars who believe

1576
01:09:11,150 --> 01:09:07,920
that uh he might have some some

1577
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:11,160
pre-christian Origins uh near like

1578
01:09:16,849 --> 01:09:13,799
Austria in the the uh

1579
01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:16,859
Alpine uh region

1580
01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:19,319
and so basically what he is as a a

1581
01:09:25,309 --> 01:09:21,540
character well what he's developed into

1582
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:25,319
as a character is the uh the opposite of

1583
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:27,540
Saint Nick you know so Saint Nick is

1584
01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:30,480
said to come around on the the evening

1585
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,540
of uh December 5th and uh and he'll

1586
01:09:37,789 --> 01:09:35,279
leave presents for kids and stuff and

1587
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:37,799
then on on December 6th you have the

1588
01:09:44,689 --> 01:09:41,520
Feast of of Saint Nicholas uh however on

1589
01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:44,699
December 4th if you have been bad uh

1590
01:09:49,729 --> 01:09:47,100
around comes Krampus and so Krampus is

1591
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:49,739
this devilish looking figure you know uh

1592
01:09:55,130 --> 01:09:53,279
he is her suit he's got uh big horns and

1593
01:09:57,290 --> 01:09:55,140
shark teeth and a long devilish tongue

1594
01:10:01,130 --> 01:09:57,300
and goats hooves

1595
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:01,140
and he carries a basket on his back and

1596
01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:04,320
a bunch of uh Birch switches and if you

1597
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:06,780
have been a bad kid he is going to beat

1598
01:10:10,689 --> 01:10:08,760
you with those switches

1599
01:10:15,650 --> 01:10:10,699
um and if you've been bad enough

1600
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:15,660
I know right yeah no he will not only

1601
01:10:19,970 --> 01:10:17,760
beat you with those switches he will

1602
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:19,980
throw you in his basket and take you

1603
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:23,520
with him back to the uh underworld which

1604
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:25,980
I assume it does not make for a very

1605
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:30,239
Merry Christmas uh what what whatsoever

1606
01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:41,750
no I don't need any of that

1607
01:10:46,610 --> 01:10:45,110
serving so when he take what because I

1608
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,620
don't know much about the legend when he

1609
01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:48,239
does he just take you to the underworld

1610
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:50,280
and that's it or does anything else

1611
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:51,960
happen to you once you get to the

1612
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:54,719
underworld uh presumably he would take

1613
01:11:00,290 --> 01:10:57,480
you there and and keep you and maybe

1614
01:11:02,689 --> 01:11:00,300
like I I assume you'd be enslaved or

1615
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:02,699
continuously beaten with with you know

1616
01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:06,600
uh Birch switches or something I mean I

1617
01:11:11,090 --> 01:11:09,480
this is not a thing that has ever been

1618
01:11:15,370 --> 01:11:11,100
documented to really happen to someone

1619
01:11:18,410 --> 01:11:15,380
so I mean we can only guess yeah right

1620
01:11:20,990 --> 01:11:18,420
it's interesting you know there are a

1621
01:11:22,610 --> 01:11:21,000
lot of reasons for you know stories like

1622
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:22,620
this to

1623
01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:25,920
exist you know and and one of them

1624
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:29,400
is to uh teach you know valuable moral

1625
01:11:35,050 --> 01:11:33,120
lessons uh or uh you know to to get

1626
01:11:36,590 --> 01:11:35,060
children to

1627
01:11:39,070 --> 01:11:36,600
behave

1628
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:39,080
um but you know uh uh

1629
01:11:44,510 --> 01:11:42,960
another reason might be to

1630
01:11:47,689 --> 01:11:44,520
um explain things that we can't

1631
01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:47,699
otherwise explain you know and so yeah

1632
01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:50,820
Krampus is useful for you know saying

1633
01:11:55,729 --> 01:11:53,400
well you know hey you better go to bed

1634
01:11:57,470 --> 01:11:55,739
and behave or you know Krampus is is

1635
01:11:59,090 --> 01:11:57,480
going to come get you or you better be

1636
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:59,100
good this year or Krampus is going to

1637
01:12:01,850 --> 01:12:00,480
come get you

1638
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:01,860
um but

1639
01:12:09,169 --> 01:12:06,420
in the the case of say uh a child that

1640
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:09,179
has gone missing which you know wouldn't

1641
01:12:14,510 --> 01:12:11,340
be unheard of especially this time of

1642
01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:14,520
year if you think back centuries

1643
01:12:19,010 --> 01:12:16,260
um you know this was a very dark very

1644
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:19,020
dangerous very deadly time of of of year

1645
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:20,159
you know

1646
01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:25,679
blizzard or something who knows uh you

1647
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:28,199
might never see him again

1648
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:32,460
um and so you know there are stories of

1649
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:35,520
you know children being abducted by by

1650
01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:38,159
various uh entities and you know I have

1651
01:12:42,290 --> 01:12:39,659
to wonder

1652
01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:42,300
if uh if some of these these stories

1653
01:12:50,090 --> 01:12:46,860
don't also uh serve the the role of some

1654
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,100
kind of explanation when uh otherwise

1655
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:52,800
they're they're just isn't one you know

1656
01:12:58,130 --> 01:12:54,840
I mean as human beings we long for

1657
01:13:02,149 --> 01:12:58,140
closure we long for rationality we need

1658
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:02,159
things to make sense in some way and so

1659
01:13:08,810 --> 01:13:05,880
you know uh we will uh in in the absence

1660
01:13:10,729 --> 01:13:08,820
of any sort of of explanation or sense

1661
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:10,739
to be had out of a situation we'll just

1662
01:13:16,910 --> 01:13:13,199
invent something because that's how much

1663
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:16,920
we need things to to make sense

1664
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:19,560
do you I think we're wired that way that

1665
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:22,080
we need that closure that you know some

1666
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:24,120
of us even strive to get that closure no

1667
01:13:28,610 --> 01:13:26,040
matter what what the costs on certain

1668
01:13:30,649 --> 01:13:28,620
things so I totally agree have you had

1669
01:13:32,689 --> 01:13:30,659
any reports of modern like people

1670
01:13:35,149 --> 01:13:32,699
actually seeing Krampus just like they

1671
01:13:37,370 --> 01:13:35,159
see Santa or hear Santa

1672
01:13:40,669 --> 01:13:37,380
have you had any reports of that

1673
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,679
no I I haven't you know um every once in

1674
01:13:45,709 --> 01:13:42,960
a while we'll get a sort of like

1675
01:13:46,850 --> 01:13:45,719
traditional like Devil or or demon

1676
01:13:50,030 --> 01:13:46,860
sighting

1677
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:50,040
um those are pretty rare frankly

1678
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:52,860
um but uh you know nothing specifically

1679
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:55,380
you know to to do with Krampus

1680
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,560
um I would think that adherence to the

1681
01:14:02,030 --> 01:14:00,480
thought form hypothesis would probably

1682
01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:02,040
explain that away

1683
01:14:07,130 --> 01:14:04,260
as saying that like Krampus hasn't

1684
01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:07,140
achieved that level of popularity

1685
01:14:11,570 --> 01:14:07,860
um

1686
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,580
although you know if if you were to

1687
01:14:16,189 --> 01:14:14,400
um uh support the the induced

1688
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:16,199
hallucination or screen memory

1689
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,719
hypothesis you know you could make the

1690
01:14:22,189 --> 01:14:20,640
exact same same argument basically

1691
01:14:26,590 --> 01:14:22,199
saying that like he's not a popular

1692
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:26,600
enough character for uh you know uh a a

1693
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:30,960
phenomenon to want to use him as uh as

1694
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,980
as a mask for for something else

1695
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:37,199
okay and that that would be interesting

1696
01:14:41,689 --> 01:14:38,760
to see in the years to come with like

1697
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,699
the popularity of the parades and and

1698
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,199
just the random stuff that I've seen

1699
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,880
with Krampus to see if it grows and

1700
01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:46,920
there are you know maybe thought forms

1701
01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:49,260
or the like you said the hallucinations

1702
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:52,199
or whatever that he pops up somewhere

1703
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:54,120
that that's going to be interesting to

1704
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:55,080
see

1705
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:02,209
yeah right I look forward to hearing

1706
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,140
them so if you have any other stories

1707
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:06,239
you want to tell us because we've come

1708
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:08,880
to the end of our hour so I appreciate

1709
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:11,520
it but if you have anything else

1710
01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:14,640
yeah you know honestly um anything

1711
01:15:19,490 --> 01:15:17,400
else that I have would probably take way

1712
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,500
too long so why don't we save it for

1713
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:21,840
okay uh next time I'm always happy to

1714
01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:23,940
come on and talk about this stuff so I

1715
01:15:26,750 --> 01:15:24,840
would love for you to come back

1716
01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:26,760
especially when you're about your new

1717
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:28,440
books out so if you want to plug that

1718
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,420
and your website or anything else you're

1719
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:33,120
doing feel free to do so

1720
01:15:37,490 --> 01:15:36,000
oh sure so uh for now uh why don't I

1721
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,500
just tell people where where they can

1722
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,120
find us uh if you're interested in the

1723
01:15:43,010 --> 01:15:41,520
singular 40 in society of course uh

1724
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:43,020
we're all over social media so you can

1725
01:15:48,290 --> 01:15:45,600
find us on Facebook and Twitter Tumblr

1726
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:48,300
Instagram Tick Tock uh or if you want to

1727
01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:51,360
go directly to our website uh the URL is

1728
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:58,070
um you know uh you can find uh links to

1729
01:16:01,550 --> 01:15:59,760
purchase my books on there I've got the

1730
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:01,560
Lake Michigan Mothman High strangers in

1731
01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:04,440
the Midwest and uh Strange Tales of the

1732
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:06,120
impossible

1733
01:16:08,750 --> 01:16:06,780
um

1734
01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:08,760
and then the uh the book I'm working on

1735
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:10,920
now is uh the singular 40 in society's

1736
01:16:18,290 --> 01:16:13,920
Yuletide guide to high strangeness uh

1737
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,810
excited Marla actually said when you

1738
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,080
come back she wants you to bring your

1739
01:16:27,410 --> 01:16:24,560
dog with you too I agree

1740
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:27,420
she's literally right here she fell

1741
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,640
asleep like halfway through and she's

1742
01:16:33,229 --> 01:16:31,679
just yeah she's just been conked out I

1743
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:33,239
can hear her snoring

1744
01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:34,880
oh

1745
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:37,320
I can hear her sorry so yeah definitely

1746
01:16:41,570 --> 01:16:39,420
she's always welcome any of your animals

1747
01:16:44,030 --> 01:16:41,580
are always welcome on the show trust me

1748
01:16:46,130 --> 01:16:44,040
we loved it but I appreciate you coming

1749
01:16:47,930 --> 01:16:46,140
on thank you so much and I look forward

1750
01:16:50,209 --> 01:16:47,940
to having you back Tobias thank you

1751
01:16:56,450 --> 01:16:50,219
thank you so much thanks for having me

1752
01:17:02,390 --> 01:16:59,209
what a great show so I want to thank you

1753
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:02,400
all for joining me and sticking around I

1754
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:04,920
also want to remind you next week at 11

1755
01:17:10,850 --> 01:17:08,159
PM Vincent will have his show fee and

1756
01:17:13,790 --> 01:17:10,860
then this Friday I will not be having a

1757
01:17:16,189 --> 01:17:13,800
show but it'll be a combined show with

1758
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,199
Lon and Vincent and some other guests we

1759
01:17:20,030 --> 01:17:18,480
will be doing our Christmas episode so

1760
01:17:22,850 --> 01:17:20,040
that is going to be really great and I'm

1761
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:22,860
looking forward to it so for now have a

1762
01:17:26,450 --> 01:17:25,380
good night and happy holidays bye